HUMMM.. HOW ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN’S MEDICAL RECORDS, SINCE HE’S A 72 YEAR OLD CANCER SURVIVOR, WITH A VP AS A MAYOR OF 4000 PEOPLE?

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What would he be hiding?
Let me tell you, W was an open book, with a proven track record of utter failure and utter and utter incompetence. And yet he was voted into power twice, and look at the incredible damage this dumbo has done to my beloved country.
Oh, and McCain also is an open book, with a quarter of a century in senate, basically casting votes left and right (as he admits himself) without any knowledge on the important economic issues. He didn’t know what he was voting for, as long as it was in line with the devastating policies of Bush senior and Bush junior. Against the excellent policies of the surplus-generating Clinton. He not only voted wrong, he also helped us get into this costly, damaging war, he got himself a corrupted (Wasillagate), inexperienced VP candidate, knowing that he is basically dying…
to make a long story short: WHAT IS YOU PROBLEM???

Kate- you’ve hit the big time. You’ve got trolls

A CAPS LOCK troll
How special
Let’s take this phrase that you shouted:
‘WITH A VP AS A MAYOR OF 4000 PEOPLE?”
and rework it to
‘with a mayor of a town 4000 people as a VP’
…reads much better don’t you think

And here’s a style tip for Erik
Trade in one of your 3 question marks and buy an ‘R’ for ‘YOU’(in ‘WHAT IS YOU PROBLEM???’)

Oh, and it seems you like to utter ‘utter’ a lot. Perhaps you should choose some ‘utter’ word

You know it took the right a while to get over their anger at Clinton- but it was nothing compared to the left’s hatred of Bush. I recommend therapy. Seriously.

Interesting that you claim to be “educated” and yet remain so utterly clueless about history, specifically the history of the sub-prime mess, which traces its roots back to 1977 when Solomon Bros. came up with the novel idea to securitize mortgages.

Securitization meant that mortgage originators sold the loan which was then repackaged as a bond and sold again, the price varying based on risk and the certification of the bond-rating agencies. Every institution involved turned a profit on the process, the cost of which was tacked onto the mortgage.

Due to securitization, mortgage lending proliferated because, regardless of risk, as long as someone could be found to buy the loan and convert it to a bond for resale, the borrower’s ability to pay and credit worthiness was irrelevant.

FYI: Carter was president.

When Clinton repealed the Banking Act of 1933, he paved the way for banks to eliminate the middle men in this process. (That Act, incidentally, was created under FDR to prevent banks as investors from causing another stock market crisis, as well as from being harmed by one.)

The proliferation of subprime loans and predatory lending can be directly traced back to the repeal of the Banking Act. As Robert Kuttner, editor of “The American Prospect” (one of your leftie liberal magazines) testified before the Committee on Banking and Financial Services earlier this month:

Since repeal of Glass Steagall in 1999, after more than a decade of de facto inroads, super-banks have been able to re-enact the same kinds of structural conflicts of interest that were endemic in the 1920s – lending to speculators, packaging and securitizing credits and then selling them off, wholesale or retail, and extracting fees at every step along the way.

Carter. Clinton. Both Democrats, Erik, and both at the root of the subprime mess. You want to be pissed at someone? Be pissed at yourself.

Btw, if I give you directions to the shooting range, will you promise to show up?

QUOTE Now go back to the shooting range. END QUOTE

Okey dokey.

‘the economy is going down the drains’

For an edumacated rich person- you really should take a remedial English course. (down the drain is the phrase you were looking for)

BTW- who was in charge of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae for oh- eternity past? Liberals or Conservatives? (Hint: it rhymes with ‘tiberals’)

QUOTE And that Iraq is lost. Yes, lost. Unless we are going to hang out there till the end of times. END QUOTE

I know- and the surge won’t /didn’t work either. Fortunately for me- as a gun totin’ bible thumpin’ (sorry I’m not a redneck) – maybe it is the end of times!! WOO HOO looks like we win again

QUOTE there is hatred against Bush, for what he did to our country END QUOTE

Give me a ‘B’ give me an ‘S’ what have you got? Your argument

I was alive during the 2000 election. The hatred for Bush started WELL BEFORE he did anything to or for our country as president. (So I might add did the hatred of Clinton).

I can understand running against Bush in 2000 and I can understand running against Bush in 2004- but’s here’s a little tip for you guys- Bush isn’t running in 2008.

I’m not the right winger you imagine me to be (although I’m closer to that than to being a left-winger). I watched many of my friends continue to focus on Clinton long after he was out of office. It was a waste of time and energy.

Go ahead and foam at the mouth about Bush- he can’t be both the moron and the evil genius that the left takes turns accusing him of being. My thinking is that he has followed his conscience but has never taken the steps to explain and win the hearts and minds of the American people for his actions. You want to criticize his deficit spending- I’m right there with you. You want to criticize his leadership (read the part about winning the hearts and minds of the American people) I’m with you. You want to accuse him of being evil incarnate- you’ve lost me.

But as that Bible thumper- I’m not so sure bringing the country to its knees would be such a bad thing- not the way you mean it- and not the way Clinton meant it- but still not such a bad thing.

Keep hating the right- keep being pissed- it burns so much energy that you could be putting behind advancing your agenda.

Oh- and I can’t remember the last time I actually ‘thumped’ a Bible. Can’t remember the last time I thumped anything for that matter.

I hope you read the end of my last post- but if not let me say it again.

Therapy- it’s your friend.

I speak 4 languages, and English is not my native language, so please forgive me if a make a mistake here and there, and btw I have more important things to do than to argue (so don’t expect another reply anytime soon).

Just FYI, Bush signed the “American Dream” downpayment act in 2003 which removed the last obstacle for responsible lending practices. The only thing I really want to say here, because the records speak for themselves, is that under Bush this country has gone from bad to worse. Look at the insane budget deficits and the even more insane national debt we now have. And there is no end in sight, this is just the beginning.

How ironic BTW that Bush is immitating Chavez and other socialists with the nationalization of the major banks, a bigger humiliation for the right is hardly possible. HAHAHA, it is just beyond pathetic. PATHETIC. Yes, I found the word that best sums up 8 years of Bush: PATHETIC

Oh, and how about the abortions? When is the last time Bush talked about abortions? Has he done anything about it? I guess no, because the only thing he wanted from the bible people was their vote. He abused them like prostitutes, and they stood there in ignorance, bending over, sprinkling sand in their anuses.

PATHETIC

Here’s one final bit of info that might make your angry little world a little more fcoused.

Bush would not have the dismal approval ratings he has if the right were behind him. He lost the right long before he lost the middle.

Last Presidential Election I asked this question. I believe in smaller government- who do I vote for?
Democrats who spend like drunken sailors or
Republicans who spend like drunken Democrats?

Bush has never been a conservative- either Bush. McCain is not a conservative.

The right voted for Bush not because of his agenda- but because of his opponents’ agendas. The right viewed Bush as the lesser of two evils- that’s why McCain is having such a terrible time motivating the right- we’ve seen what happens when you elect an appeaser.

There is a strong undercurrent on the right to stay home and let the Republican party learn a lesson by nominating such a weak candidate as McCain.

Were it not for Palin- this would most assuredly have happened (and might still happen).

Enjoy this election- and assuming Obama wins- the next four years.

For the first time since Reagan left office in 88- there is a conservative leader on the national scene. If McCain doesn’t get elected this year – and he is a terribly flawed candidate- Watch for Palin in 2012.

FWIW- I hope the thing you have to do that is more important than arguing is the Therapy I’ve been recommending.

Thank you very much for your helpful suggestion regarding therapy. Forgive me for being so angry about minor details such as soaring deficits, endless wars, rising unemployment, a collapsing housing market, expensive raw materials, etcetera etcetera. You are absolutely right: I should worry about much more important things, such as display of the 10 commandments in public schools and gay marriage.

I am sorry, but you are wrong when you say that the right voted for Bush because they were against his opponent’s “agendas”. They voted for him because the right-wing machinery relentlessly spreads fear about their political opponents. On TV, in churches, you name it. Fear of Socialism, of baby murdering, of government intrusion into our daily lives. Of gun control, taxes, euthanasia, gay marriage. It was also not difficult for the piped piping Texan to hijack the church simpletons by proclaiming to be a “born again Christian” (WTF).

But fear mongering is not all: They also voted for Bush because he tricked them. He lied to them. About small government, limited government spending, balanced budgets, about aversion to nation building, about reaching across the aisle. I still do not know what his motives were to run for president, but it certainly had nothing to do with the betterment of our country.

The truth is that Clinton was the last conservative. You remember the budget surpluses? You remember? It was he who cut welfare and he who ran a slick, professional administration with, overall, a solid foreign policy devoid of nation building aspirations. Most importantly, Clinton was surrounded by academics, by people who actually know a thing or two about the economy, or about foreign cultures, technology and sociology. Bush, on the other hand, despises the intellectual (because sometimes you hate what you aren’t) and rather trusts demagogues, priests, and “market” people. Just look at how Paulson handles the economic crisis: He first waits for Gordon Brown (a Socialist for crying out loud!) to start a daring rescue operation to restore liquidity in the banking system and then simply copies it. What excellent leadership, bravo Bush and Paulson, bravo!

So here we have government taking control of banks (socialism), we have massive entitlement programs (idem), massive government (“Homeland Security”), nation building (Iraq), government intrusion into our daily lives (wire tapping), rape of the Constitution (torture, indefinite detention), etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But you’re right, these are just minor issues that I should just laugh off. I should be full of anger instead about the ten commandments being barred from public schools.

Finally, your suggestion that Palin represents a true conservative shows me that you really have no idea what you are talking about. Oh wait, I forgot, your idea of “conservatism” is one of corruption, ignorance, opportunism and hypocrisy. Be my guest, make the same mistake again and believe every word that comes out of the mouth of yet another politician who claims to be a true Conservative. After all, you believe that the earth was created some 5000 years ago, in seven days, so why would you not believe an attractive young women who swears, honest to God, that she now really will make things better, as a true conservative. Don’t make me laugh.

Let me finish by saying that I am not a Democrat, I am an independent leaning towards libertarianism, but looking at the track record of Clinton versus that of the Bush clan and looking at how McCain voted in the Senate for a quarter of a century without, as he admits, any knowledge on economic issues, the choice is not so difficult.

Earlier today, I frequented Kate’s main blog, as I try to do daily. She doesn’t get trolls very often; usually when she does, they’re following the link from one of her Pajamas Media posts, or some other mention of Obama. Anyway, onthis post, the first two comments were both from trolls, although they seemed to be of different varieties, and it got me to thinking. How many kinds of trolls are there? Just like that, as Stephen King says, my Muse shat upon my head, and I had the makings of

You said:
I should worry about much more important things, such as display of the 10 commandments in public schools and gay marriage.

I say
Where have I made any such assertions. You have a problem staying on point

You said:
They voted for him because the right-wing machinery relentlessly spreads fear about their political opponents. On TV, in churches, you name it. Fear of Socialism, of baby murdering, of government intrusion into our daily lives. Of gun control, taxes, euthanasia, gay marriage.

I say:
You know- disagreeing is not the same as fearing (See me vs. you)

You said:
The truth is that Clinton was the last conservative

I say:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
Socialized health care- the secret desire of every conservative!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

You said:
Be my guest, make the same mistake again and believe every word that comes out of the mouth of yet another politician who claims to be a true Conservative. After all, you believe that the earth was created some 5000 years ago, in seven days, so why would you not believe an attractive young women who swears, honest to God, that she now really will make things better, as a true conservative. Don’t make me laugh.

I say:
You seem to know a lot about my beliefs. I don’t ever remember declaring the age of the Earth. And the Creation story assets that everything was created in six days, not seven- According to Genesis- God rested on the seventh day. If you’re going to make up things I believe out of whole cloth- at least get the facts about your assertions correct.

As far as making you laugh- as angry as you are I’d work on making you coherent long before I’d try to amuse you.

You apparently think I am an apologist for Bush- I am not- I don’t like either McCain or Obama- but I like Obama less.

You’re the one keeps arguing about Bush- remember my earlier comments that HE’S NOT RUNNING!

If I vote, I will vote for McCain- but I doubt I’ll even vote considering the state I live in. But it’s not because I support McCain’s diluted liberalism, it’s because I oppose Obama’s concentrated liberalism.

And that’s why Conservatives voted for Bush- not because they thought he was a true Conservative but because they KNEW Gore and Kerry were true liberals.

BTW- I am not a Republican, I am an Independent leaning toward conservatism.

Whatever happens in this election- it will be decided by the right. They’ll either hold their noses, vote for McCain Palin (McCain’s slogan should be “Hey I’m old- I probably won’t live very long’)or stay home and give Obama the victory. If they choose to vote- it will be Palin that energized them not McCain. And if they stay home- it will be hoping for Palin against Obama in 2012.

And remember these words, wherever life takes you: Thorazine, it’s your friend.

Erik, you really are determined to perpetuate the angry liberal stereotype, aren’t you? For being a self-proclaimed independent, you have a firm grasp of talking points from Daily Kos. Sadly, it seems, that’s about all you’ve got.

I am also an independent. I voted for Bush, not once, but twice, and if he were able to run again, I’d vote for him a third time, most likely. I also voted for Clinton…not once, but twice. Suprised? Don’t be – I didn’t vote for either because I was afraid of their opponent, or because I’m a church-going simpleton (thanks for the reminder – you’re every bit the elitist Obama is, aren’t you?). I voted for both because I looked at their platform, I looked at their opponent’s platform, and I made an informed decision. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

Your entire point about the economy, budgetary surplus, and the halcyon golden years of the Clinton Administration is a total straw man. I said it above, and I’ll say it again – the Executive Branch only spends what the Legislative Branch gives it. As I recall, most of the 90’s had a pretty firm conservative majority in Congress.

As I see it, the ticket this year comes down to a pretty simple equation. McCain has a spotty track record of decisions that fly in the face of his own party. He has made some questionable decisions in the past – he’s disagreed with his own party at times, and other times he’s voted the party line. In short, he follows his conscience. I can respect a guy like that, even if I disagree with him or I think that he’s wrong.

Obama on the other hand….what’s to say about a guy that’s spent more time on the campaign trail for his next, better, higher-paying, higher-profile position than the ones he already has? He’s been on the campaign trail longer than he spent actually being a Senator. He’s never introduced legislation on any subject, he’s never held a hearing or been a part of a committee that did, and he has voted “present” on more issues than he’s cast a vote on…yet he’s authored two memoirs. Every time one of his associates gets a close look, we find something else that casts serious doubts on his judgement, until he disavows them and gets a pass from the media that’s openly running cover for him.

I can’t respect a guy like that. I don’t want a President that waits to see what the polls say before responding to either a foreign or domestic crisis – Obama has done both, first with the invasion of Georgia, and then with the meltdown on Wall Street. That’s why he isn’t getting my vote.

Not because he’s liberal.
Not because he’s a closet Marxist (which I believe he is, based on his history, his associations, and the things he’s said).
Not because he’s black – he could be purple with green spots, and it wouldn’t make a whit of difference to me.

I’m voting for McCain because I think he’s the better candidate.

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Oops, I meant the point HERE about why I voted for the status quo.

It’s FRIDAY Afternoon!

I’m officially finished playing with trolls for the week

Ditto.

You two are no fun at all.

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