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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want one thing.

Honesty.</description>
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<p>Honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad William Flint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad William Flint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, another thing:  wg++</description>
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		<title>By: Mad William Flint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad William Flint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, I&#039;ve had no doubt too many relationships.  Most pretty good ones.

But the amount of time I spend saying &quot;But you didn&#039;t SAY that.  In fact you SAID the opposite.&quot; and hearing &quot;But you&#039;re supposed to know what that means.&quot;

really defies all logic.  I can&#039;t claim it&#039;s a representative sample (as I almost certainly don&#039;t date in a pool that could be called statistically median.)  But god DAMN is it getting old.

I have no doubt I do it.  I know that in my family my father&#039;s big on that.  He thinks he says things he imagines himself saying.  It&#039;s gotten to a point where I can see the look on his face when he&#039;s &quot;rehearsing&quot; what he&#039;d like to say before thinking better of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I&#8217;ve had no doubt too many relationships.  Most pretty good ones.</p>
<p>But the amount of time I spend saying &#8220;But you didn&#8217;t SAY that.  In fact you SAID the opposite.&#8221; and hearing &#8220;But you&#8217;re supposed to know what that means.&#8221;</p>
<p>really defies all logic.  I can&#8217;t claim it&#8217;s a representative sample (as I almost certainly don&#8217;t date in a pool that could be called statistically median.)  But god DAMN is it getting old.</p>
<p>I have no doubt I do it.  I know that in my family my father&#8217;s big on that.  He thinks he says things he imagines himself saying.  It&#8217;s gotten to a point where I can see the look on his face when he&#8217;s &#8220;rehearsing&#8221; what he&#8217;d like to say before thinking better of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m in the small minority.  I did ask my husband last night (because he&#039;s never called me a nag, but that doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t)... he assured me that I don&#039;t nag.  

He does some stuff around the house, I do other stuff.  It seems to work out okay.   We don&#039;t always agree on everything but on the whole we do manage to compromise without problems. 

Either I&#039;m very lucky or we&#039;re both easy going people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m in the small minority.  I did ask my husband last night (because he&#8217;s never called me a nag, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t)&#8230; he assured me that I don&#8217;t nag.  </p>
<p>He does some stuff around the house, I do other stuff.  It seems to work out okay.   We don&#8217;t always agree on everything but on the whole we do manage to compromise without problems. </p>
<p>Either I&#8217;m very lucky or we&#8217;re both easy going people.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Will:  Huh?</description>
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		<title>By: Will Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve says &quot;To be clear, I sit to pee&quot;

To be clear, I drink a lot of water.  Does sitting really help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve says &#8220;To be clear, I sit to pee&#8221;</p>
<p>To be clear, I drink a lot of water.  Does sitting really help?</p>
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		<title>By: wg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that men who are willing to shoulder half or more of the load are unusual at all...I think there are a lot more of us than you might think, Sue.

Forgive me if I sound a bit sexist here - this is honestly my opinion and is completely unvarnished, but it isn&#039;t meant to be prejudicial (even though it&#039;s likely going to come out that way...oh well).

In my admittedly biased opinion, a large part of the dynamic these days between men and women, both in &amp; out of the home is due to what the feminist movement has become within the last forty years.  The original goals of feminism are laudable; equality, suffrage, redefining the &quot;traditional&quot; roles in parenting and marriage, and a complete rewrite of the role of women in the workplace.  All of these things are good, and I applaud them.

The problem, though, is that feminism has changed a lot in the last forty years.  Instead of demanding equality and all of the other things that the womens&#039; rights movement stood for in the beginning, we now have women insisting that they are &lt;b&gt;better&lt;/b&gt; than men, in essence going from &quot;feminism&quot; to &quot;feminine supremacy&quot;, or in other words full circle.  The ones that insist the loudest about a ludicrous &quot;Patriarchy&quot; running everything (and lemme tell you, if the &quot;Patriarchy&quot; has actually accomplished all of the things that some feminists claim, then I&#039;d say my dues were well spent. &lt;i&gt;h/t Ace&lt;/i&gt;) are the ones intent on setting up a Matriarchy in its place.

The problem, though, is that men see this happening.  Women have done an excellent job at redefining their own roles in the world, without making any allowance for men to accomodate that or redefine our own.  This has led to some very strange dichotomies between where &lt;i&gt;we&lt;/i&gt; feel our roles in the world to be, and where everybody else sees us.

Think about it for a moment.  When was the last time you watched any popular evening entertainment where the principal male lead was anything other than a lovable, bumbling loser that is at best tolerated by his ultracapable wife?  This kind of stereotype permeates our culture - men have no clue, men never help around the home, men don&#039;t want to do this or that, etc etc &lt;i&gt;ad nauseum&lt;/i&gt;.

I don&#039;t know about you, but I find that deeply offensive.

It&#039;s gotten to the point now where this country&#039;s educational system and youth groups have a drastic shortage of men willing to work within those roles, because on some level we&#039;re afraid that a desire to work with children will translate into an accusation of molestation or pederasty.  While I&#039;ll admit that there are pedophiles out there, every man who loves children is not a pedophile any more than every man with intact &quot;equipment&quot; is a rapist.  There have been numerous articles and studies on this, but I&#039;m writing from work &amp; don&#039;t have time to research it properly.  I&#039;m reminded, though, of a story of a man from England who was actually placed in jail for &lt;b&gt;waving to his daughter on the schoolbus&lt;/i&gt; after he&#039;d been accused of molesting her by a vindictive and lying ex-wife.

My point is that, for the most part, the world has largely forgotten about the man&#039;s role.  Many of us feel that we aren&#039;t allowed or encouraged to express our feelings about it, and knowing that there is no community support for complaints of inadequacy or mistreatment makes it worse.

I think I&#039;ll actually put a blog post up about this at some point this weekend, Kate, because you&#039;ve now got me thinking about it.  (I know I haven&#039;t updated in ages, but you would not BELIEVE the summer I&#039;ve had....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that men who are willing to shoulder half or more of the load are unusual at all&#8230;I think there are a lot more of us than you might think, Sue.</p>
<p>Forgive me if I sound a bit sexist here &#8211; this is honestly my opinion and is completely unvarnished, but it isn&#8217;t meant to be prejudicial (even though it&#8217;s likely going to come out that way&#8230;oh well).</p>
<p>In my admittedly biased opinion, a large part of the dynamic these days between men and women, both in &amp; out of the home is due to what the feminist movement has become within the last forty years.  The original goals of feminism are laudable; equality, suffrage, redefining the &#8220;traditional&#8221; roles in parenting and marriage, and a complete rewrite of the role of women in the workplace.  All of these things are good, and I applaud them.</p>
<p>The problem, though, is that feminism has changed a lot in the last forty years.  Instead of demanding equality and all of the other things that the womens&#8217; rights movement stood for in the beginning, we now have women insisting that they are <b>better</b> than men, in essence going from &#8220;feminism&#8221; to &#8220;feminine supremacy&#8221;, or in other words full circle.  The ones that insist the loudest about a ludicrous &#8220;Patriarchy&#8221; running everything (and lemme tell you, if the &#8220;Patriarchy&#8221; has actually accomplished all of the things that some feminists claim, then I&#8217;d say my dues were well spent. <i>h/t Ace</i>) are the ones intent on setting up a Matriarchy in its place.</p>
<p>The problem, though, is that men see this happening.  Women have done an excellent job at redefining their own roles in the world, without making any allowance for men to accomodate that or redefine our own.  This has led to some very strange dichotomies between where <i>we</i> feel our roles in the world to be, and where everybody else sees us.</p>
<p>Think about it for a moment.  When was the last time you watched any popular evening entertainment where the principal male lead was anything other than a lovable, bumbling loser that is at best tolerated by his ultracapable wife?  This kind of stereotype permeates our culture &#8211; men have no clue, men never help around the home, men don&#8217;t want to do this or that, etc etc <i>ad nauseum</i>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but I find that deeply offensive.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s gotten to the point now where this country&#8217;s educational system and youth groups have a drastic shortage of men willing to work within those roles, because on some level we&#8217;re afraid that a desire to work with children will translate into an accusation of molestation or pederasty.  While I&#8217;ll admit that there are pedophiles out there, every man who loves children is not a pedophile any more than every man with intact &#8220;equipment&#8221; is a rapist.  There have been numerous articles and studies on this, but I&#8217;m writing from work &amp; don&#8217;t have time to research it properly.  I&#8217;m reminded, though, of a story of a man from England who was actually placed in jail for <b>waving to his daughter on the schoolbus after he&#8217;d been accused of molesting her by a vindictive and lying ex-wife.</p>
<p>My point is that, for the most part, the world has largely forgotten about the man&#8217;s role.  Many of us feel that we aren&#8217;t allowed or encouraged to express our feelings about it, and knowing that there is no community support for complaints of inadequacy or mistreatment makes it worse.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll actually put a blog post up about this at some point this weekend, Kate, because you&#8217;ve now got me thinking about it.  (I know I haven&#8217;t updated in ages, but you would not BELIEVE the summer I&#8217;ve had&#8230;.)</b></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh...and I had the exact opposite experience.  I did the cooking, most of the hard cleaning (dusting, vacuuming, washing the floors, windows, yard work, snow shoveling, etc.).  She would complain when I didn&#039;t help her with the laundry or pick up the clutter.  I always figured that sharing the workload meant, well, sharing.

To be clear, I sit to pee, so the seat is NEVER left up (and I have taught my two sons to do the same), and there is none of that &quot;buildup&quot; to clean around the toilet.  I am a great cook, I can iron, sew, hang curtains, etc.  I just have no clue what women want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh&#8230;and I had the exact opposite experience.  I did the cooking, most of the hard cleaning (dusting, vacuuming, washing the floors, windows, yard work, snow shoveling, etc.).  She would complain when I didn&#8217;t help her with the laundry or pick up the clutter.  I always figured that sharing the workload meant, well, sharing.</p>
<p>To be clear, I sit to pee, so the seat is NEVER left up (and I have taught my two sons to do the same), and there is none of that &#8220;buildup&#8221; to clean around the toilet.  I am a great cook, I can iron, sew, hang curtains, etc.  I just have no clue what women want.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The manual trackback is giving me an error.

Here&#039;s the URL:

http://willardwallace.livejournal.com/3154.html#cutid1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The manual trackback is giving me an error.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the URL:</p>
<p><a href="http://willardwallace.livejournal.com/3154.html#cutid1" rel="nofollow">http://willardwallace.livejour.....tml#cutid1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured out long ago that men&#039;s lives exist around themselves first, then maybe others. Women&#039;s lives exist around everyone else in their lives, and themselves last. This is mostly true, but not in all cases...there are exceptions to every rule.
  After five marriages (I have a huge learning curve) I have decided that as much as I love my husband, he is the last man I will ever have in my home. Alone I would have only half of the dirty work, and I already do the yard work, and home repairs. I am finally tired of taking care of everyone else (although with elderly family, and my husband&#039;s illness I will have several more years to go), and would like to take care of JUST ME.
 I guess I have been married five times, because I just couldn&#039;t believe that most all men are the same. Their needs first if they can help it.
  I truely envy those women who have found those few men who actually pitch in and work together on all the chores that none of us want to do, and women usually end up doing.  
  So I guess I believe that women want to take care of others, and in return be taken care of...
  .....about as possible as world peace, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured out long ago that men&#8217;s lives exist around themselves first, then maybe others. Women&#8217;s lives exist around everyone else in their lives, and themselves last. This is mostly true, but not in all cases&#8230;there are exceptions to every rule.<br />
  After five marriages (I have a huge learning curve) I have decided that as much as I love my husband, he is the last man I will ever have in my home. Alone I would have only half of the dirty work, and I already do the yard work, and home repairs. I am finally tired of taking care of everyone else (although with elderly family, and my husband&#8217;s illness I will have several more years to go), and would like to take care of JUST ME.<br />
 I guess I have been married five times, because I just couldn&#8217;t believe that most all men are the same. Their needs first if they can help it.<br />
  I truely envy those women who have found those few men who actually pitch in and work together on all the chores that none of us want to do, and women usually end up doing.<br />
  So I guess I believe that women want to take care of others, and in return be taken care of&#8230;<br />
  &#8230;..about as possible as world peace, huh?</p>
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