Comments on: Family Appointed Honor Killer

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:49:35 +0000

No flaming necessary; I think we mostly agree. However, amid a clash of cultures, careful choice of language might help us avoid WWIII.

By: Foxy Wizard

Foxy Wizard — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:41:00 +0000

Ok, Jim. Flame on!

By: Venomous Kate

Venomous Kate — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:36:58 +0000

I’m not in favor of destroying that – or any – culture. I do believe that the implicit acceptance of honor killings within the Islamic culture can be changed without resort to draconian methods. As we’ve previously discussed, many cultures formerly sanctioned such deaths but no longer do.

However, I would like to point out that “destroying a culture” is not synonymous with genocide.

Now, feel free to continue your flame war.

By: Foxy Wizard

Foxy Wizard — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:23:42 +0000

Hell, Jim, I don’t know the answer to the whole honor killing thing, the cliterectomy thing, or the jihad thing.

You may be right about Flint’s statement. It reflects a huge frustration at attempting to understand a culture that is completely foreign to us.

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:19:01 +0000

Well if that is what Flint meant, then you did win it, and it was a stupid argument. But I do not think that is what Flint meant. He said the culture should be “utterly destroyed,” and you are toning that down to a kinder-gentler “educate and mature.” Not the same thing, but Flint has stopped representing himself so … what’s the point?

Regardless, I do agree with your approach Foxy.

By: Foxy Wizard

Foxy Wizard — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:29:11 +0000

Uh, I guess I won THAT stupid argument.

Flint, you can say that again.

By: Foxy Wizard

Foxy Wizard — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:21:27 +0000

Wiki says:
“Culture has been called “the way of life for an entire society.” As such, it includes codes of manners, dress, language, religion, rituals, norms of behaviour and systems of belief.[3]”

You can eradicate a culture (ancient customs) with, say, education. For example, in our early culture, we burned “witches” at the stake. We don’t do that any more. That culture, you could say, has been eradicated.

No genocide.

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:55:24 +0000

Now see, Foxy? That’s a personal attack. It’s the sign of a weak argument, or a lack of an argument. I don’t feel personally offended at personal attacks here, since you don’t know me. But you assume that simple words and sentences are not sufficient for me to understand your position. I have a college degree, so they are.

Just use words Foxy. Try to explain how you can eradicate a culture without using genocide.

By: Foxy Wizard

Foxy Wizard — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:47:02 +0000

Explain to me how to explain anything to you.

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:05:01 +0000

Explain to me how you could utterly destroy a culture without genocide.