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		<title>By: Chelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 03:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to remember this when my daughter is 16 and begging to drive.  Thank you, Kate!

&lt;em&gt;Chelle&#039;s last blog post..To Do Part Two: Not Quite Everything&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to remember this when my daughter is 16 and begging to drive.  Thank you, Kate!</p>
<p><em>Chelle&#8217;s last blog post..To Do Part Two: Not Quite Everything</em></p>
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		<title>By: The Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of children and driving ... My youngest is turning 20 this weekend and still hasn&#039;t taken the time to pass the backing/parallel parking/driving test required to get his license. He will get his license and buy a car when he finally feels like it.

For now he gets wherever he wishes to go traveling via World of Warcraft or someone else in our household.

&lt;em&gt;The Thomas&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://fkastrider.blogspot.com/2007/11/project-valour-it-interservice.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Project Valour-IT Interservice Challange&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of children and driving &#8230; My youngest is turning 20 this weekend and still hasn&#8217;t taken the time to pass the backing/parallel parking/driving test required to get his license. He will get his license and buy a car when he finally feels like it.</p>
<p>For now he gets wherever he wishes to go traveling via World of Warcraft or someone else in our household.</p>
<p><em>The Thomas&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://fkastrider.blogspot.com/2007/11/project-valour-it-interservice.html' rel="nofollow">Project Valour-IT Interservice Challange</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: NerdMom</title>
		<link>http://www.electricvenom.com/my-venomous-life/do-you-know-where-your-teen-driver-is/comment-page-1/#comment-88230</link>
		<dc:creator>NerdMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that trust is important but so is protecting your child. I don&#039;t baby proof my house, instead I choose to teach them to stay out of the cabinets. And that works for the most part but I put bleach and other costic things up where there is no way they can get them. I think it boils down to trust you kids but decide if you are really ready to risk their lives. That doesn&#039;t just pertain to speed but what happens if the child who has the car decides to go somewhere she isn&#039;t and gets hurt. Because she was sneaking about you are unable to help her. There is a time for that trust but it varies by child and age.

&lt;em&gt;NerdMom&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/BlogFresno/~3/246300085/vance-walberg-and-dribble-drive-motion.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vance Walberg and the Dribble-Drive Motion offense&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that trust is important but so is protecting your child. I don&#8217;t baby proof my house, instead I choose to teach them to stay out of the cabinets. And that works for the most part but I put bleach and other costic things up where there is no way they can get them. I think it boils down to trust you kids but decide if you are really ready to risk their lives. That doesn&#8217;t just pertain to speed but what happens if the child who has the car decides to go somewhere she isn&#8217;t and gets hurt. Because she was sneaking about you are unable to help her. There is a time for that trust but it varies by child and age.</p>
<p><em>NerdMom&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/BlogFresno/~3/246300085/vance-walberg-and-dribble-drive-motion.html' rel="nofollow">Vance Walberg and the Dribble-Drive Motion offense</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Venomous Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venomous Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, she&#039;s played plenty of driving-simulation video games. The problem is that such games don&#039;t remedy a teenager&#039;s belief in their own immortality, as DrunkBunny pointed out.

As for GPS monitoring telling her &quot;I don&#039;t trust you&quot;, I don&#039;t have a problem with that. I &lt;b&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; trust new drivers to be as good as experienced drivers. Statistically, they&#039;re not.

I&#039;d rather my daughter not be a statistic, Donna, and if offending her or pissing her off is the price of that, so be it.

&lt;em&gt;Venomous Kate&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/electricvenom/djorlo/~3/246885902/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Two Ways I’m Now Killing Time&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, she&#8217;s played plenty of driving-simulation video games. The problem is that such games don&#8217;t remedy a teenager&#8217;s belief in their own immortality, as DrunkBunny pointed out.</p>
<p>As for GPS monitoring telling her &#8220;I don&#8217;t trust you&#8221;, I don&#8217;t have a problem with that. I <b>don&#8217;t</b> trust new drivers to be as good as experienced drivers. Statistically, they&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather my daughter not be a statistic, Donna, and if offending her or pissing her off is the price of that, so be it.</p>
<p><em>Venomous Kate&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/electricvenom/djorlo/~3/246885902/' rel="nofollow">Two Ways I’m Now Killing Time</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Donna B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there are computer simulations of driving available. Of course, after watching my husband and sister (a retired air traffic controller and a flight instructor) play various flight simulator programs, maybe that&#039;s not a good idea.

&lt;em&gt;Donna B.&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://opiningonline.com/2008/03/05/accountability-not-exciting/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Accountability, Not Exciting&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there are computer simulations of driving available. Of course, after watching my husband and sister (a retired air traffic controller and a flight instructor) play various flight simulator programs, maybe that&#8217;s not a good idea.</p>
<p><em>Donna B.&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://opiningonline.com/2008/03/05/accountability-not-exciting/' rel="nofollow">Accountability, Not Exciting</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Venomous Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venomous Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, and actually have to step away from the computer? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, and actually have to step away from the computer? <img src='http://www.electricvenom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Donna B.</title>
		<link>http://www.electricvenom.com/my-venomous-life/do-you-know-where-your-teen-driver-is/comment-page-1/#comment-88139</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know times have changed somewhat since my children got their licenses (at 15), but I don&#039;t think I would have considered GPS in their cars, had it even been feasible at the time. 

It seems to me that this kind of monitoring leads to the opposite of building a trusting relationship. Like rammer illustrated above, constant or intrusive monitoring encourages sneakiness. Please don&#039;t be offended, but requiring GPS monitoring strikes me as saying, loudly, &quot;I don&#039;t trust you.&quot;

What if the first time your child is unmonitored and truly on their own is their first year of college? You want them to develop as much self-control and responsibility as possible before then. 

Requiring teenagers to pay for their own gasoline and maintenance (including tires) is very effective in eliminating unnecessary driving. Teaching techniques for getting the best gas mileage also teaches them not to drive too fast or aggressively. 

Teach them to check their oil, transmission and brake fluid, coolant and tire pressure. Require they change a tire without assistance in your presence. Provide them with a half tank of gas and require they keep it at that level. Explain the hassle and cost of running out of gas and replacing an overworked fuel pump. 

Make a big deal of all this. Check up behind them randomly, telling them you&#039;re going to do so. Ride with them, teach them things they&#039;ll never get in driver&#039;s ed, like how to use all their mirrors effectively and when not to trust them, safe use of cruise control, how to deal with distractions, how to control a skid, how to anticipate what that car or truck they are sharing the road with is going to do... whatever &quot;teaching moment&quot; occurs.

Then know that no matter what you do, you&#039;ll still be a bit queasy every time they back out of the driveway.

&lt;em&gt;Donna B.&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://opiningonline.com/2008/03/03/red-beans-white-rice-and-the-blues/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Red Beans, White Rice, and the Blues&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know times have changed somewhat since my children got their licenses (at 15), but I don&#8217;t think I would have considered GPS in their cars, had it even been feasible at the time. </p>
<p>It seems to me that this kind of monitoring leads to the opposite of building a trusting relationship. Like rammer illustrated above, constant or intrusive monitoring encourages sneakiness. Please don&#8217;t be offended, but requiring GPS monitoring strikes me as saying, loudly, &#8220;I don&#8217;t trust you.&#8221;</p>
<p>What if the first time your child is unmonitored and truly on their own is their first year of college? You want them to develop as much self-control and responsibility as possible before then. </p>
<p>Requiring teenagers to pay for their own gasoline and maintenance (including tires) is very effective in eliminating unnecessary driving. Teaching techniques for getting the best gas mileage also teaches them not to drive too fast or aggressively. </p>
<p>Teach them to check their oil, transmission and brake fluid, coolant and tire pressure. Require they change a tire without assistance in your presence. Provide them with a half tank of gas and require they keep it at that level. Explain the hassle and cost of running out of gas and replacing an overworked fuel pump. </p>
<p>Make a big deal of all this. Check up behind them randomly, telling them you&#8217;re going to do so. Ride with them, teach them things they&#8217;ll never get in driver&#8217;s ed, like how to use all their mirrors effectively and when not to trust them, safe use of cruise control, how to deal with distractions, how to control a skid, how to anticipate what that car or truck they are sharing the road with is going to do&#8230; whatever &#8220;teaching moment&#8221; occurs.</p>
<p>Then know that no matter what you do, you&#8217;ll still be a bit queasy every time they back out of the driveway.</p>
<p><em>Donna B.&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://opiningonline.com/2008/03/03/red-beans-white-rice-and-the-blues/' rel="nofollow">Red Beans, White Rice, and the Blues</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Guy S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some states now have laws on the books as to how many persons under 21 can be in the same car as a *teen driver*.  There are also limits set on how late they can be out and about driving.  These are conditional on if said teen has a late night job or other legitimate circumstances (other kids in the car could be immediate family members for example).   I know Illinois is going down this path, not sure about Kansas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some states now have laws on the books as to how many persons under 21 can be in the same car as a *teen driver*.  There are also limits set on how late they can be out and about driving.  These are conditional on if said teen has a late night job or other legitimate circumstances (other kids in the car could be immediate family members for example).   I know Illinois is going down this path, not sure about Kansas.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might also consider putting a &quot;one friend&quot; limit on her.  At 16 trying to hold three conversations AND notice the semi barreling down the street at her is asking too much of a mind with nine years of growing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might also consider putting a &#8220;one friend&#8221; limit on her.  At 16 trying to hold three conversations AND notice the semi barreling down the street at her is asking too much of a mind with nine years of growing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Venomous Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venomous Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome point there, DrunkBunny! Part of the process of becoming an adult is realizing that what we &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt; is a reflection of who we &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt;, and that for every naughty action we try to get away with there is always someone who&#039;ll be able to hold us accountable.

That, I think, goes hand-in-hand with why teens think they&#039;re immortal. They haven&#039;t been truly called into account for their actions (thank goodness, and thank good parents). 

IMVO, part of parents&#039; duties involves increasingly exposing teens to the consequences of their actions. That might sound odd at first, but if you think about it, that&#039;s something parents do naturally in other contexts. A 5 y/o child who spills grape juice on a new carpet, for instance, will be chided and possibly not given grape juice again for a while. 

An older child who spills it will be told to clean it up and advised not to drink it again on the carpet. 

A teenager will be informed they&#039;re going to be paying for the carpet cleaning and then left to decide whether they&#039;re going to risk drinking grape juice on the new carpet again.

Driving&#039;s no different. She can have her freedom in her own car just as soon as I know she&#039;s grown ready for that kind of trust.

And knowing that she has to earn that trust because I&#039;m monitoring is what will prompt her to develop safe, self-directed driving habits from the get-go.

For me, that&#039;s what it comes down to: inculcating responsibility in children by providing a framework in which they know they&#039;re expected to demonstrate responsibility. Once they get used to doing so, you can take the framework way and... why, they remain responsible.

Kind of like training wheels for life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome point there, DrunkBunny! Part of the process of becoming an adult is realizing that what we <b>do</b> is a reflection of who we <b>are</b>, and that for every naughty action we try to get away with there is always someone who&#8217;ll be able to hold us accountable.</p>
<p>That, I think, goes hand-in-hand with why teens think they&#8217;re immortal. They haven&#8217;t been truly called into account for their actions (thank goodness, and thank good parents). </p>
<p>IMVO, part of parents&#8217; duties involves increasingly exposing teens to the consequences of their actions. That might sound odd at first, but if you think about it, that&#8217;s something parents do naturally in other contexts. A 5 y/o child who spills grape juice on a new carpet, for instance, will be chided and possibly not given grape juice again for a while. </p>
<p>An older child who spills it will be told to clean it up and advised not to drink it again on the carpet. </p>
<p>A teenager will be informed they&#8217;re going to be paying for the carpet cleaning and then left to decide whether they&#8217;re going to risk drinking grape juice on the new carpet again.</p>
<p>Driving&#8217;s no different. She can have her freedom in her own car just as soon as I know she&#8217;s grown ready for that kind of trust.</p>
<p>And knowing that she has to earn that trust because I&#8217;m monitoring is what will prompt her to develop safe, self-directed driving habits from the get-go.</p>
<p>For me, that&#8217;s what it comes down to: inculcating responsibility in children by providing a framework in which they know they&#8217;re expected to demonstrate responsibility. Once they get used to doing so, you can take the framework way and&#8230; why, they remain responsible.</p>
<p>Kind of like training wheels for life.</p>
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